I met Alban Cacaret, co-owner and director of Château Peyrassol, on a rainy day at Hotel Grand Joanne in Copenhagen. It’s the kind of day that feels like November, even though it's the end of May. But today, I’m tasting rosé. The contrast is not lost on Alban Cacaret, he laughs as he glances toward the windows: “Rosé is sunshine,” he says. “It’s meant for terraces, laughter, and warm evenings.”

When I had the chance to sit down with Nicolas Joly, one of the most passionate advocates of biodynamic winemaking, I knew it would be a conversation filled with insights.